The Liberty Roundtable #1: Education and the State
Friday, November 6th, 2009 at
11:37 pm
A rousing roundtable with Wes Bertrand www.completeliberty.com, Brett Veinotte http and Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Radio www.freedomainradio.com
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Another problem I have with the reward/punishment “technique” is that it doesn’t explain why what the child is doing is unfavorable. If you are attempting to create morality based on the amount of rewards or amount of punishment one receives for an action then you are actually leading the child towards at the very least a world of confusion.
Umm… where in Detroit is there a large group of people who are respecting their children as adults. Your claim that future politicians or inmates are raised with no discipline is puzzling, most inmates are raised by people who use a lot of discipline, especially physical. I don’t know about politicians but I’ve never heard of one raised without discipline.
my art classes were controlled. we always had specific assignments. anyway, i wouldn’t have known how to “express” myself with crayons. or paint. or whatever.
actually, once, when we were allowed to draw whatever we wanted, I wrote out the lyrics to a song.
School spend the first 8 years or so destroying your creativity and then in high school they start to tell you that you have to be creative and think “outside the box” and they act like it’s your own fault that you can’t do it.
I was in day care from babyhood, so that’s probably why I, for one, didn’t question the set-up of school.
Great discussion. Thanks.
Most everyone abides the non aggression principle in their everyday lives.
“Learning is finding out what you already know, Doing is demonstrating that you know it, Teaching is reminding others that they know it as well as you do. We are all learners, doers, and teachers.” -Richard David Bach
The person who initiates force abandons reason in favor of rule of the jungle where no beast or reptile honors contracts.
I don’t ask you to topple the beast. Withdraw your support and he’ll collapse.
this is new…
Is this new? I think I might have listened to a podcast of this. Or am I thinking of the interview Stef did with Brett Veinotte?
Stef, you should do standup comedy… hahaha…
the chat room, for feedback…
probaly where the screen is.
something you all miss. as a human having to live i must prepare for the future. As spirit i see there is only now. As a human i am a body. reality says i am an awareness between all the molecules of the moment. Choices are made according to our state of conciousness. Good and bad is culturally learned.
Great stuff! I’m wondering what Stef keeps looking at to his right?
and ty for the support there datalorez. uugh its frustrating, i wish i had stayed in the safty of math an trig and stuff but ive drifted away into the swamp of english and psychology and crazyness
, all i learn is theory names, usless sociology terms and some theories. nothing even close to what ive learned out side of school. but anyways i will keep at it, becouse is the best path available and i apreciate ur understanding 
gl
lol hey stef, its funny cuz i just recommended some guy to the same series u just recomended me to
. he was going on and on about the hampeh theory guy and we had a decent convo so i sent him ur way 
. i will take a look at it too again tho having this in mind now see what new i get it out if. keep it up, and im defenatedly interested in hearing some alternatives, cuz they way things look now i dont want to send my kids there… even tho its probably.. hopefully gona be a while til then 
I watch the whole brilliant video in one sitting. it’s that good! Wonderful to discover Wes and Brett contributing to free themselves and therefore others!
I hope you someday decide to write a book once your little girl has grown up a bit. I think it would be helpful for the world to see first-hand how important good parenting is. And you should totally sell out with that book and actually make some cash Stef… you deserve it
I agree, high school does suck.
I’ve always been very good at picking things up in school. I slept through pretty much everything Trig and Calculus class that I took… then crammed for tests and ended up doing really well.
But take my advice. Do as best you can at playing “the game” in High School and College. Even though all you are really after is a piece of paper that says you finished, it’s going to help you in the long run.
Also, continue to learn and explore outside of it as well.
If you equate morality with personal preference. I am also against bad jokes, is that a moral claim?
An excellent question my friend, you might want to check out my free “introduction to philosophy” series, available here on YouTube, it might be just what you are looking for — and stay strong with school, it does get better…
If you are against lying, then you are advocating morality…
I am stating it as logically wrong. There is a difference between saying that the sky is yellow and saying doing drugs is wrong/immoral. The sky can be observed and its color proven, but there is no basis for saying a thing is immoral.
If that’s the case, then there’s no point in condemning someone for saying that something is right or wrong. If someone wants to say that right and wrong are facts, you can’t say that it would be wrong to state them as facts, as you’d be appealing to the values that you are stating are invalid.